宽中董事会名单 ： http://www.foonyew.edu.my/organizations/directors.php
请你们有良知一点，极力反对这个议程：
很多人质疑我们的用心说为什么要搞集会。为什么要把事情闹大。这个有用吗？ 你问得很好。。只是以下是我们的回答。
秉着一颗赤子之心，我们爱华教。。。我们没有办法。。我们别无选择。如果我们也不出声，这个议程通过之后，用法律的方法解决将使宽中受到更大的伤害。
最主要的原因在于知道这个事件的新山华团和政党都不要出声。而且主流媒体封锁我们发布的新闻。看看董事名单就知道原因了。选择性的报导让华社蒙羞。我们希望有份媒体能够代表华社的利益。
试问，当中文报纸都去大量报导政党和华团的内部斗争。请问这些人事实上还代表华人吗 ？ 如果我们的新闻发布会在新山，我们将看不到任何报道因为报纸都被封锁了。
请大家看今天东方日报A17 和 A36 新闻。我们希望各团体和报纸不要再选择沉默了。保卫华教保卫宽中是当务之急啊 ！
这是我们最后的方案。我们只好用最传统的集会方法让董事们取消特大。我们别无选择。希望有良知的董事会站出来反对。我们想要宽中好，独中好。
扪心自问，我们最后的堡垒就是华教了。。这是绝对不能被人钻空子的。。。这是历代祖先废了好大的气力才维持住的。试想想我们还有中文论坛。能用中文沟通。邻国们印尼泰国新加坡有吗？ 希望热爱华教的人可以参加我们星期天的大集会。我们相信反对的人越多，他们是会放弃的。也希望大家把这个消息告诉你身边所有热爱华教的人。
你的出席非常重要。当有一天你的子孙还在宽柔华文独立中学的时候，你就会明白其实你做了一件很伟大的事情。
也希望发表如果你有任何方案的话，还是你愿意参与得更多 可以联系我们的总协调 Mr.C.H. Chong +60187751109 foonyewcrisis@gmail.com 我们需要你 ！！！
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- 集結號 –保衛寬中需要你！！！ 我們將在2009年10月25日早上8點正在寬柔楊文富講堂外集合，堅決反對寬柔修改章程。 我們不允許寬中被典當和私有化 ！！！我們促請所有熱愛華教人士和我們一起奮戰！！我們希望有10000人站出來響應，為我們后代努力。對得起先賢，對得起子孫。
请问是只要出席就可以了吗？在集会上会有呈交具体反对通过修订案的文件什么的吗？
回复删除Don't you guys think that your Chinese translation of the proposed amendments are not accurate enough?
回复删除《东方日报》http://www2.orientaldaily.com.my/read//26c90sTv0Z0i9RPO1axi0m7I2D8Q38MC
回复删除（新山22日訊）寬柔學校將於本週日（25日）召開特別會員大會，以通過三項修改章程、授權董事會投資和洽購地段的議案，被外界輿論和網路流傳此舉形同「典當寬柔」，不過，董事部今日矢口否認，並認為那是有人刻意渲染的結果。
日前，有人通過面子書、部落格和論壇網站，號召「所有關心寬柔中學的人士」組成「集結號」，參與在特大當日舉行的萬人反對大會，以阻止寬柔董事會修改章程，以及典當和私有化該校資產，這項號召目前已引起坊間熱烈討論。
對此，寬柔學校董事長陳偉雄說，有關傳言只是由某一人所製造，過多回應反而會「中他圈套」；而該校副董事長黃循積也回應，有關「典當寬柔」指責是不切實的，也是有人加以渲染造成的。
陳黃兩人是今日接受《東方日報》電訪時，如此回應上述傳言。陳偉雄解釋，這次董事會召開特大的原因，主要讓校務日漸龐大、組織越漸複雜的寬柔學校，能以一套更適合章程來讓會員加以配合，以及創造更健康的組織風氣。
針對傳言指董事部將修改章程的議案，先交予公司註冊官批准，再緊急召開特大讓會員通過是「本末倒置」的說法，陳氏澄清，有關提案早在去年已經獲得會員通過，惟一些人士還處於狀況之外。
秘書證實獲會員通過
董事部秘書戴華玲也證實，董事部去年12月14日確實召開過特大以建議修改章程，並獲得會員通過，繼而才向公司註冊官尋求批准。「公司註冊官批准我們的申請後，表示在新的公司法令下，必須將提案再次拿回會員大會通過，有關章程的修改才能正式成立。」
至於傳言指第二項議案，即「授權董事會以不超過600萬學校流動資金作為投資」在通過後，包括學生學費、教職員薪金、水電雜費等會被使用，對此黃循積保證，有關資金不會在使用資金範圍內。
「我們不會用教職員薪金、水電雜費這些日常開銷，也不會動用給貧寒學生的助學金，我們動用的，只是之前放在銀行的利息。」
黃氏表示，目前銀行只給予定期存款每年2點多巴仙的利息，用來投資才是更為明智的做法。無論如何，他表示，董事部只會將錢投資在國家債券等比較穩當的領域，不會讓學校承擔風險。
對於董事部目前洽購的土地，他說，那不是一項金錢投資，而是準備在購後充作備用校地，因為該地點位於古來分校一帶，近期該地主有意低價出售，才會安排在這次特大尋求會員通過授權議案。
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回复删除"所以，《寬頻》小組其中三人把這個事和校友會里兩位非常熟悉董事部情況的重要元老聊了一個晚上，因為我們和其他校友一樣，期待了解真實的情況。《寬頻》里的組員們，都是單純愛護母校的寬柔人，我們都不是董事部的成員，但因為《寬頻》里有不少校友甚至是在籍學弟妹都在為不知道的真相而憂心，所以我們和元老們臨時約了這個聊天會。
而這樣的聊天其實讓我們聽到了不少有趣的事，舉個簡單的例子和大家分享一下，比如——
我們大家收到“反特大”的信函里不是有提到這么一段--
根 據1965年公司法令規定，任何修改章程的合法程序是由董事會通過后才呈交會員大會核準，才能交予公司注冊官批準。如今董事會本末倒置，竟然先于2009 年9月11日得到公司注冊官批準再給董事會2009年10月2日緊急通過。并定于2009年10月25日召開特大核準。董事會居于什么理由不依法不合理作 出修改，并可以隨時典當校產。這個過程完全沒有透明度及合法性。難道還有更大的陰謀 ？一旦通過，寬中3億校產隨時被典當，寬中馬上被私有化。寬中近100年章程從來都沒事，為何要改？
其實根據董事會的會議記錄，修改章程是在一年多前就在董事部里被提議討論（
具體日期兩位元老不記得需看回董事部秘書處的記錄才知道！但他們說有會議記錄可以追查，那是騙不到人的！）其實真實的故事是這樣順序展開的：
1）一年多前，隨著時代的變化，董事部成員提議修改章程。
2）有關修改章程的提議在常年會員大會里通過大會批準，成立特別修章小組處理。
3）修章小組開始積極進行多次討論。
4）有關修章建議內容被帶回董事部討論并獲得批準。
5）2008年12月14日，董事部召開了特別會員大會通過修章。（這個日期是元老當場打電話問董事部秘書求證獲得）
6）交給律師處理完成法律程序。
7）注冊官批準此修章申請。
注冊官批準此修章申請后。據董事部里持有專業身份的成員了解，在新的公司法令規定下（其實元老們說其實公司法令一直有在修正中，所以已有新的修正法令）最后一個步驟是需要再一次召開會員大會做一次類似“announcement ”的程序，和會員交代此事。[*]
所以10月25日的特大就有了這其中一項內容。董事部的會議記錄里有清楚的記錄著。據兩位元老說，10月2日的那次會議，不是一個董事部的緊急會議，其實只是一個例常的董事會議罷了!
聽到了這許多的故事，感覺真耐人尋味啊！其他被此信函提出質疑的部分《寬頻》也聽到了許多有趣的故事，但《寬頻》實在不便多言，畢竟董事部將在10月25日執行召開會員大會事宜，和會員們商議相關內容。
身為愛護母校的我們，不妨耐心冷靜客觀的分析并等待10月25日的特大召開，勿讓我們的母校陷入危機。
[*]《宽频》小组按：校董今早来电澄清，说“最后一個步驟是需要再一次召開會員大會做一次類似“announcement ”的程序”，经确认不是新公司法令的规定，而是宽柔学校组织章程中规范的修章程序。
[本话题由 ycteo 于 2009-10-23 16:28:59 编辑]"
it is very clear that foon yew high school should be managed in a way to be sustainable, not expanding.
回复删除I doubt the "anonymous" who urged readers to think carefully and independently.
Even an less-educated reader will immediately point out the cons of the new constitution.
I can only say that the board of directors is simply ignorance as they think government bond investment is 0% risk. Please read thru wikipedia, 0% risk free is only in term of default risk. all bond investment, especially long term bond investment is subject to high interest rates risk. Interest rates is currently at its lowest level, inflation will come one day. As a result, central bank will raise interest rates substantially in the future to fight inflation. As the price/value of a bond investment is inversely proportional to the interest rates, so what do you think will happen to the bond investment ???
besides that, the agenda mentions nothing about corporate governance. It did not mention either who will be monitoring or responsible for the investment.
回复删除Let me ask you, who shall be responsible and make the investment decision??? Are they investment professional??? Do you think some layman who sit on the board will outperform the real investment professional?? Do you really think they can perform better result???
Statistically speaking, they will outperform the market only when they strike the lottery. Simply put it, to win the roulette.
黄循积拿什么来保证？他不会犯错？他要永远当董事？他不会离开董事部？他不会意外？他不会死？
回复删除各位同胞，人性本恶，不得不监督。哈，钱一多，问题就多，不可不小心啊！人不为己，天诛地灭！
搞华教，按宗旨发展就错不了。发展华教的核心即按成本经营，广收学生，提升量的教育同时也提升质的教育。
三千万，可以提升多少量的华校生？可以提高多少的华裔子弟的教育水平？不超过十年，这些学生的回馈肯定比任何投资回收还要高。何况，没有风险。
只要稍微有一点理财知识的人都知道，由于银行存款的利息永远赶不上通货膨胀的脚步，所以必须采取其他的资本增值方法，以免因货币逐渐贬值而蒙受损失。
回复删除宽中董事决定动用一笔资金来进行投资，到底何错之有？
现在看到很多人都在抨击说董事对投资不在行、投资有风险，甚至还说什么典当宽中。投资必然有风险，就连将钱放在银行做定期存款，也会面对利息偏低、通胀走高而蒙受资本损失的风险，根本就没有零风险的事。只要能够妥善处理风险，能够做到保本增值（前提是保本，将钱放在定存户口也是保本），为什么不可以进行投资？就算董事当中没有投资专才，难道不可以设立投资委员会，招纳宽中校友当中的专才进行管理？
还有，新山华社长久以来经营一山、一校、一庙，无论华社当中是否有做得不够完善、处理得不好的地方，我们至少知道在处理这种公事业方面，华社领导一向有着一定的道德判准，在宽中的经营方面，更是小心翼翼，深知宽中是新山华社、甚至乎全马华社的重要资产，在动用任何资源时，总是知道不能中饱私囊，免得遭受全华社抨击唾弃。那这笔用来投资的钱，如何惠及董事个人，让宽中变成董事的私人资产呢？当中不可能没有明确监管。
个人觉得，这个部落格对各项修改章程提案的诠释才是有问题的，其实，这些提案可以用不同的方法诠释，可是协调人用的尽是负面的诠释方法，才会引起人们用负面的方法看待整件事。所以我欣赏《宽频》的负责人在这里刊载不同的声音，让人们对事件可以有不同的理解。
当然，我也欣赏协调人的用心良苦，在您的激发下，有越来越多人去思考宽中投资的事情，越来越多人关注宽中的发展，让董事对自己肩负的责任有更深刻的体悟。
所以，我也不反对您举办这项“万人”（根据您的申请文件，警方只允许少于1000人集会），希望到时董事能在众人面前清楚交代多一遍，而众人也抱持着关怀的态度前去，大家在宽柔的精神下理性地对谈，温馨地散会。
pls don't use anonymous. i can see how ignorance you are.
回复删除300 years ago, adam smith had proposed division of labor. a school is mean to educate its students, not mean to be an investment holdings. there are umpteen investment professionals out there, how could you possbily generate better result than those pros?? even tough u proposed to hire graduated fy investment pros, let me ask you, what will be the cost incurred??? does foon yew really have piles of reserves to make it economically efficient????
if your answer is yes, then you should first apologize to all Chinese community in JB area. you had deceived everyone by claiming that Foon Yew has always short of operation capital.
if fy really possesses RM30 million of reserves cash, it shall be deemed as the mismanagement of the board of directors to be allow the fund to grow into a huge amount without making any investment in developing foon yew human capital. it has long been known that foon yew high school has been cutting teachers' wages.
foon yew high school has done nothing in improving the english standard among its students. there are a lot of good teachers in there, but the system is utterly a complete failure. how can anyone teach english by telling them to memorize everything?? including in the exam.
回复删除get back to the constitution, "investment" is a term with broad meaning, it can be defined as investing activities in capital market, or even property market. Once you pass the amendment, who the hell will know how you operate the investment in property market??? who will monitor whether you had overpaid. who shall deem the responsibility to evaluate the performance??? does he deserves remuneration if his investment decision realize gains in the future???
none of these has been mentioned in the agenda. how could the public know that you are really doing your job with your integrity. Not to mention that the public has never glimpsed at foonyew financial statement.
nothing went wrong with the investment proposal. where the hell is the corporate governance??? chairman supervises himself ??? it is funny.
回复删除learnt from singapore's NKF and Renci lessons, foonyew should publish its financial statement yearly to the public to prevent any wrongdoing.
宽柔越来越失败了~
回复删除建议投资的事一群阿伯。。。不是专业投资人
而反对开特大的只会人云亦云...再不然就是在这里乱吵...还套上了不少经济理论...
真的不懂款中还能走多远..
作为一个曾经的款中生...
我相信学校户口里有不少钱...
我也愿意相信那是‘储备金；不能乱用...
但是学校设施老久与落后时不争的事实...看看omega把...
再来...
如果要收更多的学生...只会导致学生水平继续下降...我们的学生越来越多...但都是在不断降低入学门槛的结果...很多的优秀生都拒绝款中....
英文是个问题...但是如果学校能够拥有更强大的资本和现代化设施...那些优秀生不会不选择宽中吧...
那些反对私营化的人士〉。。
那些在这里发表论文的经济学家
你们就给给意见...
让髋中如何再不私营化的方式下能够拥有更多的收入来源...
你们要广收华人子弟...要低学费...是要资本的...
如果没有更好的方案
那么就准备去更深入的了解我们伟大董事们的私营化制度吧...
最好有个监督委员会之类的东西...
总之...冷静点...
款中越来越没素质了...
不知道为什么扯到英文教育制度的问题。。。
回复删除针对录取门槛降低的问题，我觉得这是可以理解。这样一来，那些有心来华校读书的人有更高的机会。如果宽中大量建少录取人数，转型为类似精英中学的概念，那时，是不是又会挨轰呢？
还是不要过于极端。
明天，不少专业人士校友都会回校向校方了解更多详情。就算要抗议、请愿，也要先了解情况，而不是人云亦云。
宽中不思进取，势必在历史的长河中消失。
回复删除各位不要再沉浸在昨日的辉煌。
马来西亚最聪明的一群学生，每年都跑到新加坡去了。
宽中还以为自己很成功。很多制度都已经不合时宜。
但是，投资这种很前卫的作风，势必不容应许。
Please pardon me for using English. I type faster in English. Terrence, you have good points, but I think a better communication would definitely help FY. Maybe you should pay the board a visit. I do not want to talk much as I have not been back to FY for years. However the world is changing fast; and therefore FY should too. It lacks many "best practices" that a modern "social enterprise" should have. Investment is really a huge area to cover. And that is only a part of a good management and operation of an enterprise. "Corporate Governance" i.e. whistle blowing is a new issue that in the old days many people did not regard it as important. The main purpose of FY is not "profit" oriented. I think that is for sure. And "risk" is a basis of life. Nevertheless I find open discussion, face-to-face, or any form would help. It cannot harm FY unless no good conclusion is made at the end. Maybe it is just good for the whole FY, JB or even the whole Malaysia Chinese to revise the old system. Since many other areas have been touched on, probably the whole constitution should be reviewed. To ensure FY always stays ahead of time. Not drown by it and still not realize of it...
回复删除Lastly, I apologize because I did not do any further than just pointing out my views. Maybe this will be my last comment. Lastly, I think FY reputation would not be harmed if there's a good result achieved from this. The more people know and care about it provides a transparent form of "Corporate Governance". And then things will become clearer. $30million is not a lot for a corporate, but a huge number for people in JB. I think a proper management is essential. For the least, they should fight against inflation, and for long term sustainability.
I think most of us are neutral. And do want to see a good end to this. :-)
i would like to point out one simple economic theory. the inflation is inversely proportional to the interest rates. when the interest rates is high, the inflation is low, i think the capital gain during the time could compensate the losses of money value during high inflation and low interest rates.
回复删除again, moral hazard problem could never be resolved. wall street could not solve it, so don't be naive that Foon Yew can actually make it by waving its righteous flag.
moreover, the investment that defined in the new bill doesn't restrict fy board to invest only in safer investment products. How can they claimed that opposition attacks fy because he simply wants to revenge.
i don't like what i had read from the newspaper of the chairman interview.
again, to show their sincerity, fy board of directors should voluntarily disclosed their financial statement.
oh, just remembered one line from the fy chairman, "the RM300 million of asset in foon yew balance sheet is a nonsense as no one has actually calculated it before."
what a nonsense. he meant they never audit their account with proper accounting method??? without doing so, how to talk about investment??
there are lots of flaws and i saw signs that the board of directors has consolidated their power.
now i wonder, who can replace the board of directors if they made very bad investment in the future?? can we do that ? or, just another directors will step out to replace the existing one ???
it is funny. lazy to comment more, i found that few people here can understand my point. and i don't like to argue with some low level creatures.
none of my business after all, one day they fail, i will be the first one to laugh at them.
i should say
回复删除well said u guys roch and terrence
Having read and replied some, there is one BIG issue that I want to point out. That I am NOT willing to see FY fail; nor to laugh at it when it might one day. There's this saying: "whether you think you can or not, you are always right". So I rather keep looking on the bright side. No matter what, FY is the place that we spent our golden years in.
回复删除I am not in Malaysia and I have not read anything about it on the newspaper, other than this blog. If there are signs that there is a consolidation of power, it could be more dangerous than the investment proposal...
I do agree that board of FY have been doing a great job given that we all know how life has been in Malaysia. And having said so, I believe as a group of wise and experienced businessmen, they would know what we are talking about and would react to it positively. After all, they might be looking at continual capital growth, that only a good reputation can bring; not only as a board member but also as a businessman in the industry.
Come back to the idea of investment, I think so far other than very few countries, most are still having a slight inflation (natural inflation). Therefore, proper investment to safeguard the future value of the capital is still needed. And money doesn't grow unless you use it wisely.
If FY has enough reserve, it should consider to self-sustain via running certain investment or business. In the long run, FY may be able to cope even without people's donation. And of course we are not talking about a matter of merely some years.
And with money, better education can easily be achieved. Success is easier for FY because it has plenty of good alumni. And a good reputation for the school. So I sincerely hope that a better end can be achieved on this dispute. And I have no means to comment on the constitution as I have not really studied it.
i just want to laugh at "them", not fy.
回复删除based on the NKF and Renci cases in Singapore, these public entities should publish their financial statement to the public and audited by reputable accounting firm to check that there is no wrongdoing within an organization.
look at NKF and Renci, there were many irregularities in its book. if it weren't under managed and scrutinized by the effective government organization, the people will never know that fact that only 10 cents out of every dollar they donated had benefitted the patient.
same rules should apply here. but here is malaysia. everything is possible.
yet, they didn't mention the purpose of acquiring the land near FY kulai. i tot FY kulai is big enough. do they really need expansion ?
回复删除well
回复删除that piece of land
according my knowledge
it is not in kulai it is in stulang